wheres the all motor section?

 

It's so slow it hasn't arrived yet.

 

Lulz!

"All motor" and "Stock" should be in the same section.

 

 

I guess you can post in the ITB section as you will likely have them on an all-out all motor car.

I like the idea but can't stomach the cost to develop any real power on our motors. Seriously, if you could drop in say 2-3K and get 200WHP, I think you would see quite a few built, but the return just isn't there.

 

ITB's arn't required for a decent hp#'ed NA build. I've read of VVT motors with stock cams, intake and internals hitting 170.

 

Just post here in the engine upgrades section-most NA build stuff is still benefitical to the rest.

 

What are they doing to get 170 if the aren't changing pistons, intake, rods, cams? They aren't making that just with a header and a tune without bumping compression...

 

picking up ~50rwhp with more or less tuning alone?

 

I call bullshit until you show me how.

because I might consider 170 rwhp if I dont have to open my motor.